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From: Chris Hyde Hi Derrick As promised find some photos for the archives. They are taken between '58 and '62 when I was serving my time. I think you were serving yours at the same time but I can't remember if we sailed together. The ship in dry dock is the Spinner which ran aground off Newfoundland in June 1960 and had to go into Halifax to have 83 plates renewed. Bill Espley was the skipper. He was also the skipper on my first ship in 1958 the Shipper. We ran aground off the north east coast of Newfoundland on our way to Cornerbrook and were stuck for three or four days. We had a pilot on board but he mistook breakers for ice. I think we were about 6 weeks in Halifax and earned a fortune discharging the cargo at Canadian dockers pay rates. Hope these are of interest Regards Chris Hyde
Chris also sent a couple of anecdotes to share with us: “When I was on the Manchester Faith an American Constellation aircraft, carrying service families from the US to Europe, ditched in the Atlantic. The first ship on the scene was registered in Switzerland (I didn't know they had any ships), and they picked up the survivors, miraculously, there were quite a lot, although 40 or 50 people were killed. The Manchester Faith arrived shortly after and with several other ships and RAF Shackletons searched from dawn to dusk but found only empty life rafts. The Manchester Evening News ran the story with the headline “Mercy Dash of a Ship Called Faith” and also published a photo of the Manchester Faith taken from one of the Shackletons.” “On a different note, when I was on the Vanguard Eric Askew was skipper. I remember he had a fantastic collection of ships' photographs taken over the years and always wanted to be called if there was an unusual vessel in sight. Anyway he decided that the monkey island deck should be sanded and varnished and being the only apprentice on board this was my job for the trip. I must have spent two weeks on my hands and knees sanding the deck and applying seven coats of varnish. The skipper would come up every day to check my progress. Eventually, I achieved a glass like finish which was to the his satisfaction. The mates hated it however because every time they went on the monkey island to take a bearing or an azimuth, it was like trying to negotiate a skating rink and combined with the movement of the ship, it led to a few falls and a lot of bruising and cursing. However, Eric loved his new deck so nobody would say a word of complaint to him. The whole episode was hilarious, with the helmsman listening out for a thud every time the officer of the watch went up top.” From: John McKenna Derrick, If you click on the bottom of the image you can get the 2 data/fact sheets of the vessel, the chart etc is on one of them. As you say it is in Dingle Bay. Never thought the ship was so close in to Irish Coast. Regards, John http://www.marine.ie/home/aboutus/newsroom/pressreleases/INFOMARannualmeetingNov2011.htm
Hi John Thank you for the interesting photo. I take it that this is a photograph of the Manchester Merchant (1) lost through cotton cargo fire in Dingle Bay on 15th Jan1903. Regards Derrick Captain Oliver Selwood We have received the following from Peter Thompson. Captain Oliver Selwood was not a member of our Association, hence his Crossing of the Bar is recorded here. From: Peter Thompson To Capt Pete / Ken Livingstone
From: Capt. Michael Robson
I am attaching a link with an article related to the "Manchester Pioneer's" 1st trip to Toronto in 1952. Best Regards, Capt.Michael Robson, St.Catharines, Ontario http://images.maritimehistoryofthegreatlakes.ca/63097/page/36?n= June 2011 Manchester commerce Football team Kindly sent in By Doug Rutter
The folder is signed by the team, but has not been included for reasons of Data Protection. The decyphered signatures appear to be: W D Williams AB, Gus Hannaford, J Clark, N Morris, B Underwood, P Patton, T F Berwick, Colin O Jay, M Dunn, B Mould, E Lucas (Manager), E Cunningham, D Rutter, J E Askew (Master) If you recognise anyone on the photo please send in any corrections for the mistaken names.
From: Barry Underwood Manchester Crusade Football Team sent in by Doug Rutter is incorrect, the football team was of the Manchester Commerce. Please accept my apologies as this was entirely a misunderstanding on my part. I have now made the necessary corrections. Thank you for bringing it to my attention Barry. Derrick From: David Lever
http://www.maritimeprints.com/portfolio/?mp=184 Can anyone identify the location of the Royal Yacht, and artist, in this painting? I have suggested just off Deschambault, between Portneuf and Grondines for the ship. 46 38.40N 071 53.86W for the artist. Lets see if we have any river pilots/detectives who can id this spot?, large Tim Hortons Coffee and donut of choice for the winner. Regards. 07/04/2011 nothing really changes - except they be fewer in number
From: Bryan Farlow Hello Derrick & Ann
Hi Bryan It was very satisfying to see the impact that MLOSA members had made to the project as ML was equally as important as the MSC in creating the Manchester that we know today and equally important to let future generations know also. I think that you have had the most input of all us. I was delighted to see Ann's face peering out of a cog on the the USQ banner and she is amazed that they have used two of her quotes on the No.9 at MediaCity, thus making her mark on her home town. I was very sorry to hear Abi say that she was leaving the Lowry as her contract had finished. Her enthusiasm did much to help the project along. Best regards Derrick From: John Milton Dear Derrick Howarth For many years now I have been visiting the MLOSA website. The contributions by Peter Thompson and Bob Galloway, in particular, and a recent visit to New York have prompted me to email you to apply for membership and also to provide you with some memorabilia about the Manchester Miller. Returning to the memorabilia, last year whilst in the US and Canada I kicked over the traces of my past – visiting Montreal (couldn’t find Joe Beef’s) and Quebec City waterfronts (what vastly different places they are today, although Vieux Quebec still seemed the same) and I also paid a visit the New York Public Library to do some research – the attached PDF has an extract from the NY Times December 13 1968 describing in pretty accurate detail the fire on board the Miller. I hope the PDF is of high enough resolution to be able to be posted to MLOSA website as I am sure it would be of interest to your membership. I congratulate you for maintaining a magnificent and informative website and I reflect fondly on my time with the Manchester Liners family. I look forward to receiving an application form and joining your illustrious association. Best Regards John
26/02/2011 manchester liners remembered This photograph is of a mural inside one of the domes of the Trafford Centre, Manchester. It depicts the S.S. Manchester Progress (1) in the Manchester Ship Canal at Barton, although poetic licence has added other MSC views and also palm trees on either side. It is good to see, that even in these modern times where Manchester Docks are now Salford Quays and MediaCity, that Manchester Liners, very much a part of Manchester's history, have not been forgotten.
Many members, particularly those living overseas, probably do not know of the Trafford Centre which was opened in 1998 and situated between the M60 motorway and the Manchester Ship Canal near Barton Bridge. It is the sixth largest shopping centre in the UK and attracts about 30 million visits annually (Wikipedia). But how many of these visitors ever think to look up and admire the murals in the domes instead of just looking in the shop windows. I live close to the Trafford Centre and visit regularly, but this time I remembered to take my camera with me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Orient,which is the main food hall has also been themed as a ship, complete with a mock up of an MSC tug at the for'ard end of it. Derrick Howarth
The Cost of Travel in 1938 Captain Peter Cullen sent in this schedule of fares.
The young Ones Thanks to Captain John McKenna for this photograph - he writes: "I joined Manchester Commerce on the 4th April 1968 with Captain J E Askew as master. It was my first trip with Liners, having come from Irish Shipping to complete my Apprenticeship. This pictures was taken, of the four Apprentices, while we were in Toronto discharging. We had just come out from the Saloon after lunch and having a sit down and a smoke. The Apprentices' accommodation had a door leading out on to the deck where this was taken. In the photograph, left to right Jason Barnes, John McKenna, Jeff Slater, Rod Meakin. Don't know whatever happened to them as I was transferred to the Mariner after we arrived back in Manchester at the end of May 1968. (Title by editor, not me)"
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